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Elite Harvester
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Posted - 2016.09.11 07:07:21 -
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I guess internet spaceships really are serious business. 
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Elite Harvester
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Posted - 2016.09.11 19:01:25 -
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Lucy Lollipops wrote: I dunno how easy can be to move 10 accounts at the same time in few second multiboxing without any botting at all.
So, I hear there's this thing called warp fleet to 0. And with guns grouped and pre-overheated while warping around waiting to drop on the target it takes 1 key press and a click of the mouse to target and start firing upon someone.
It's all about finding a setup that works for you and using your time efficiently and effectively. Who would have thought putting in some effort (unlike a lot of our victims) gives us the upperhand in a fight.
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Elite Harvester
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Posted - 2016.09.11 19:39:23 -
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Ginger Naari wrote: Yes there is fleet warp, but no way can you then press one key and perform one mouse click to open fire with 10 accounts..which is what you seem to saying you do.
You would have to do it with 1 account at a time, otherwise it's a bannable offence..1 click 1 action on 1 account, that takes time, or should...
One key press and a mouse click per account. Press F1, click on target in overview, profit.
It takes a split second to swap between EVE windows. If you take any longer than that then maybe you need more practice. 
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Elite Harvester
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Posted - 2016.09.17 02:06:01 -
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Isaac Armer wrote:If you want to make it dangerous to new players, push them to LS, NS, WHs. We do.
It is our recommendation that if they do not wish to be Code compliant and do not wish to be hunted by us that they go to lowsec, nullsec, wormholes, etc.
Isaac Armer wrote:Why stay in HS when there are a LOT of places to go where it's dangerous (you personally as a ganker, or the miner?). Our goal is to bring danger to Highsec for all to enjoy. It's pretty hard to accomplish that goal when you're not actually in Highsec. 
Isaac Armer wrote:Low sec, null sec and wormholes I personally do a lot of solo PvE in LS and WHs. Why aren't you hunting me? Low sec, null sec and wormholes are self-cleansing. If you fall asleep at the keyboard there the situation usually resolves itself. Without gankers the only thing you have to fear in Highsec are NPCs that struggle to kill poorly fit frigates.
Isaac Armer wrote: If anything CCP should cut the number of HS systems in half.
Sounds like fun. More people crowded together competing for "safe" resources. Like a powder keg ready to explode. 
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Elite Harvester
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Posted - 2016.09.19 08:03:25 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:But there are no sec status consequences if your alt is designed to be disposable, so you can happily continue on with that alt for as long as you want. While being -10 and legally attackable by anyone else while simultaneously being hunted by faction police, right? That's not a consequence at all... Nope. Sure isn't. 
Lucas Kell wrote:Also, you can just ramp the sec status back up to zero then delete it when you are done. For a price, of course. But, in your mind that's not a cost, right? Somehow the character in question is still "just disposable." 
Lucas Kell wrote:The point is that all the time alts with limited skills and no other goal but to gank are used, pretending there are consequences for ganking is laughable. You don't even have to pay clone costs for getting podded anymore since CCP buffed ganking by removing clone grades. Oh, right. How could I forget? Clone grades were only usable by ganking characters. Silly me. 
Lucas Kell wrote:I find it odd that you continue to use such terrible arguments and think you're actually making a point. Oh, the irony. 
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Elite Harvester
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Posted - 2016.09.19 08:25:37 -
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Dracvlad wrote:The cost of getting security status back to 0 is nothing for the amount of ISK they make. They only make as much ISK as someone puts in their cargohold. 
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Elite Harvester
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Posted - 2016.09.19 09:12:22 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Still it is absolutely zero risk and massive rewards...   Oh? Well, if it really is that easy to gank someone then it sounds like Highsec needs some saving. Highsec needs Someone to give it some Guidance on how to not be a goofus. 
oiukhp Muvila wrote:Oh noes, I lost a 10 mil isk catalyst and some sec status! Well, that will certainly put a dent in my 50 bil wallet.  I would love to see an Orca killmail with a single catalyst on it. You and 10 or so other people lost a 10 million ISK catalyst. You and 10 other people now have to buy security tags or grind rats to raise their security status back up. You and 10 other people now have a kill right on you.
oiukhp Muvila wrote:Love you Skill Extractor mechanic! and especially Security Tags!
Consequences of a night a ganking fixed with a 5 min visit to your local security office. Sure, if kill rights weren't a thing. And hey, while we're at it lets just write off the price of skill injectors too. It's not like those cost anything either!
Man, you guys really like to skew important details or try to leave them out all together. 
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Elite Harvester
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Posted - 2016.09.19 10:04:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Nope, not at all. I too have a -10 alt, but since he doesn't actually do anything but gank, his sec status is irrelevant. The only time he's in a ship is when he's on his way to gank at which point he is unlockable. So you're limited in what you can do with him in Highsec? As if some sort of consequence or punishment were imposed on that character due to past actions?
Lucas Kell wrote:He is disposable. If the character was lost it would be irrelevant, since he is simply there to be a gank char. If i want to change him from a disposable character to a regular character, yes, I'd have to pay a cost, rat a lot, or just live in null. Up until that point though, he remains disposable. Additionally, with the introduction of alpha clones they will be even more disposable since you can just stop logging on to the account and roll a new one thus avoiding any recycling bans. Only half of this paragraph seems to have an understanding of what the word "disposable" means.
If you have to keep the character on hand to gank with, then they aren't disposable. If you aren't going buy security tags and raise its security status back up to above 0 then you can't biomass him, so he isn't disposable. And the loss of the character would also mean the loss of time spent training skills normally or ISK spent using skill injectors to train those skills or the price of security tags to raise your security status back up. Even after all of that you still have to deal with kill rights which last a month.
As for the second part of that paragraph in regards to free to play accounts you will still have to invest time to train ganking skills. As for the legality/possibility of what you described: We'll have to let CCP decide on that as they haven't finished finalizing the rules/limitations surrounding free to play accounts. 
Lucas Kell wrote:So when wide sweeping changes improve mining amongst other things, that's a buff to mining, but a wide sweeping change that buffs ganking doesn't count because it's not just to ganking? Lol. I think you missed the part where clone grades were used by everyone regardless of their profession. It's a pretty hard concept to grasp I guess.
You see with suicide ganking we go for the pods too. Which means that the miner or hauler pilot would have had to upgrade his clone as well if we popped their pod. And if you're referring to the "pod express" that some gankers use - That comes with a limitation as well in that they can't use implants.
I'm starting to question if you really do have a -10 ganking alt or how good/efficient you are at actually using it.
oiukhp Muvila wrote:Kill rights are cleared pretty easy with an alt, one made public anyways, but that only matters when you spend time in Hi Sec. I live in Low Sec and only go to Hi Sec to gank, so no worries there.
I'm not sure what you are getting at regarding skill injectors. I use my main to gank and I've been a max skilled catalyst pilot for many years. You have to buy a kill right which means that's another cost to factor into Highsec ganking. If the owner of the kill right sets it as 0 ISK and makes it public then who cares. It's their fault they got ganked and it's their fault they didn't make the best usage of their kill right. And if you only come to Highsec to gank then that also doesn't matter. You normally live in/have to live in an area that mechanically is more dangerous than Highsec and that is the tradeoff.
As for the skill injectors: If you don't have a problem with them, then why did you mention them in the first place? 
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